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In mid-August I posted a clip of Judge David Young, whose new daytime court show premieres next week, on Monday, September 10. I recently had the opportunity to chat with Judge Young, about being out on the bench and his new show.
Young was born and raised in Miami (and lives there currently with his partner), served as assistant state attorney in Miami-Dade County under Janet Reno, and was re-elected twice as a Circuit Court judge there before leaving to hit the national airwaves. Among his more well-known cases is one in which he sent two America West pilots to jail in 2005 for attempting to operate a commercial airliner while intoxicated.
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What made you decide that you wanted to leave the conventional courtroom and become a TV judge?
It happened out of the blue. I got an email from Sony Entertainment asking me if I'd be interested. And I've got to admit that every time I would see these judge shows, I would think to myself, "God, I'm better than this one," or "I'm better than that one," or "God, was there an opportunity that was missed." And this gave me an opportunity to blend two of my passions, entertainment and law.
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And you've been a judge for how long?
14 and a half years.
Wow. So this must be a big change.
It's a wonderful change, actually.
What challenges have you experienced in the TV courtroom that are unique to that, as opposed to a conventional one?
I suspect that, as a judge, in real court, you don't have to tell a story. The story is told upon you or told to the jury, and you then make a decision or the jury makes a decision. Here, I have to tell the story. I've got to make the case interesting to the viewers. And then you rule. It's also a different animal in TV court, where I can say whatever I want to say without any restrictions. In regular court, I'm governed by a certain judicial code of ethics, and I've got to behave myself or else I'm going to get brought up for charges. And here I can just be free, let it all hang out, which is very liberating.
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So, if it sort of has the same legal weight, why is it that you don't have to obey this code of ethics in the TV courtroom?
I'm not governed by any code of ethics. The only thing I'm governed by is the FCC. I mean, I'm not allowed to use some of the George Carlin words. But a real judge would never call someone stupid...Would not belittle them, would not put themselves as being the advocate. In TV court, you are the advocate. You are the person who does the questioning. You're the prosecutor. You're the defense lawyer. In real court, judges are the umpire: you call balls and strikes.
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How do you feel that being gay helps you on the bench?
I think it keeps me more... I'm more sensitive to the issue of discrimination. And we had a case involving a bi-racial lesbian couple, and it was clear to me from the get-go that the landlord was constructively evicting them because he didn't [approve] of a) their sexual orientation and b) that they were a bi-racial couple.
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Have you always been out professionally?
No, I haven't. I came out a year after I was elected.
A year after you were elected to...
The county court. I came out in 1994.
And was that a difficult transition for you to make in the court system?
Not at all. It was incredibly easy. And it was funny, because many of my colleagues, all the women on my floor, when I told them they said, "We've known for years. It's about time you came out." And all of them wanted to perform the wedding. And I said, "Well, you have to get it legalized first to do a wedding. But otherwise, we can talk about it then."
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Do you feel like you get a different response to your court room manner from straight people than you do from gay people?
I think there's a sense of pride when a gay person knows I'm on television. Because they see that anything is possible. They see through hard work and the fact that can-do, can-do, can-do. So that I would feel good about, that I can be a role model. As far as any tangible difference between a straight person? No, none. None at all.
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How do you feel about President Bush and accusations by some Republicans that activist judges in the country are pushing forward a pro-gay agenda?
That's a lot of horse crap.
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Do you believe there is such a thing as an activist judge?
Sure. I mean, every judge is an activist judge. Every time you make a decision it's a sense of activism. I mean, the Supreme Court was activist when they gave him the White House.
In order to make a decision, you have to be an activist. And if you're a pacifist you don't belong on the bench because you're not making decisions. But it's the activism that suits them. And if you're with them then you're not an activist. If you're against them then you are an activist.
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How do you feel about decisions regarding issues like gay marriage being made in the courts rather than the legislature? Because I know that there's a lot of debate that goes on about that as well.
Well, if it wasn't for the courts, we'd never have civil rights. The courts acted way before Congress acted. And we have three branches of government. If one branch of government is falling down on the job and not protecting the rights of its citizens, then another branch has the right to move in as long as it doesn't exceed the Constitutional requirements and the Constitutional limitations. And if it happens in the court, so be it. If Congress gets around to it later, that's their problem. If it was up to Congress, blacks wouldn't have the right to vote, women wouldn't have the right to vote. It was the courts that made all those things possible.
It mentioned in your biography that you're partner is also a judge.
That's correct.
How does that affect your home life? You've been together for how many, 12 years?
12 1/2. It's going to be 13 in January.
That's excellent. How does that affect your home life, that you're both judges? And how does he affect what your style is and the decisions that you make?
Scott and I have a true partnership. It's a 50-50 partnership. Actually, it's kind of like 90-10: I do whatever he wants. I'm kidding. The best two words to keep a relationship, whether gay or straight, is "Yes, dear." Knowing what we have to go through makes it so much easier. You hear about spouses in the judiciary breaking up all the time, divorces. And I expect that's because the spouse doesn't understand the restraints that come with the job and the limitations that come with the job.
And when Scott ran for judge back in 1998, I couldn't even have a bumper sticker on my car, or we couldn't put a sign up at the house, because I lived at that house. It's like I'm endorsing him, you know? We can share a bed together, but I can't endorse him. So it's kind of silly. But that's part of the rules and regulation that we agreed to abide by. It's a 50-50 relationship. We accept everything together. I constantly go to him for advice, he constantly comes to me for advice. There's no jealousy whatsoever. Our styles are so different. Scott is very, very bright. He's such an intellect. And I'm much more fun at a party. So it works, it really does.
I was the first openly gay man on the bench in Miami. In South Florida. Probably in the state of Florida. And Scott was the first openly gay man to run for office in the state of Florida and get elected.
How does he feel about your new TV role?
He could not be more supportive. He loves me. That's never been a goal of his, television or entertainment. Being the intellectual that he is, he's much more into the books and the research and the theories and all the other things that go to being a thoughtful, thoughtful judge and a thoughtful person.
And it's so great when I have a question about a case, I can go to Scott and get a legalese and non-legalese professional wonderful answer from him, because he's so bright and he's so well-read. So it really is a really good combination we have. And yet I still take out the garbage, because he doesn't. And I still take care of the dog, because the dog likes me better.
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Aside from fulfilling your entertainment fantasies, what do you hope to accomplish with your new show?
One of the things that I really, really want to stress is that I want to be a spokesperson. I want to be a role model for those young men and women who are going through this identity crisis in terms of. : "I can't be gay, because if I am gay, that means that I can't be president of the United States. I can't be head of an international corporation. I just can't do it." And go to be every night praying and praying to be straight.
I want to be a voice of hope. I want to be a person of hope. I want to be someone who they can look at and say, "Hey, look at David Young. David Young did it. I can do it." Anybody can do it with hard work and determination. We don't let our sexual orientation act as an impediment to achieving whatever goal we have set for our lives.
Conversely, I want to be a conduit to the parents of those young men and women who are just coming out. To say, "You need to love your children unconditionally. Gay, straight, bi, transgendered, whatever they are, they are part of you. And as a family member, you must love them. And you can't reject them. You should never want to reject your child."
And I don't think most people want to reject their child. But I think through ignorance and bigotry and being unsure, they do. Because they see these gay stereotypes and they think, "I don't want my child to be some freak that we see in the gay pride parade that's broadcast all over the..."
That's all they see.
That's all they see. And not that there's anything wrong with that. Believe me, without those individuals in our community, we wouldn't be where we are today. Because they were the foundation. The drag queens were the foundation of the gay rights movement back in Stonewall.
So, I hope to be that voice and that role model, and speak to organizations. Gay, straight, I don't care. I'll speak to anyone who'll give me an audience to talk about compassion and talk about passion in everything, in all of our passions. I mean, let's go for it.